Modern MSS

have critical app that aim at classical critical editions, are there other ways to present electronic editions and do we have the tools to publish in the other forms?

modern text privileges the imitative transcription, don't need the critical app to the same degree as with medieval

how do we publish modern manuscripts?

critical app to record variant readings in medieval tradition; some approaches (i.e. genetic crit) isn't pointing to refused readings and do not utilize the concepts upon which traditional critical app. depend upon

meaning of and need to consider how modern usage is different; rather that genetic criticism is a different mode that cannot use the apparatus

some approaches will continue to use the traditional mode

kinds of texts we have: single copy text iterative levels of development redraft variations:being able to suggest relationships

genetic criticism: no copy text, each version is text - maybe do not need critical apparatus guidelines are not adequately addressed for genetic

Need a 'use case' for encoding in the geneticial critical mode - which tools to use, or how to express the differences in the semantics of the mark up. Write up (and possibly present) a paper on the use of P5 in genetic criticism and to allow this paper to guide next steps in terms of an addition to the chapter, a tutorial for next year, or and think about whether a new chapter needs to be created.

current chapter on critical app needs to be addressed as well to the issues new modern editions

missing: to relate changes over time - sequence attribute of substitution useful to express relative time. Does this address a network or layer of changes? How to express layers of change rather than local change? Can we use this local expression? Perhaps we can find a way to do it but it is not elegant. Can we use groups of changes on substitution for this? Problem that sequence is only for editorial intervention. Can stages be identified as attribute. Stage as analogous to handshift?

In the case of draft manuscripts which are not books, is the use of appropriate if the sequencing of the segments of text is not part of the text? Is the unit of the page the more appropriate here, and the use of zone? Idea is expressed in org attribute of div.class -- org=composite no claims made about the connection of parts of text. org=uniform do in fact believe there is a logical relation of the textual parts. Can make a div.like element such as block or page which can then use the org attribute. Might be useful to note that one can consider the use of div AB as a physical description rather than a logical description.

is an empty element to represent stages useful? Need to make some suggestions and then explore the value. Does the use of offer some traction on the need to represent stages? Need to test whether empty element or attribute is more useful, need some idea of processing etc.

Another use case perhaps to express not the unified final text of 'traditional' critical app but rather want to publish in different formats

does the description module cover all aspects of the modern manuscript? Is it possible to describe the 'dossier' - is this apparatus for genetic criticism, or is it part of the description. Construction of the dossier is the work of the editor, and therefore not a part of the desc? Is it useful to create a corpus, in order to describe the relationship of the texts. Manuscript desc is not the place for this perhaps given that it is a critical intervention. Need to explore tags for description of the framework of a dossier, but this is not the same as the manuscript desc. Given that it is possible to use desc within text, then perhaps the prose can be addressed to this kind of usage in the case of a dossier.

Would like to ask the TEI to incorporate shapes beyond the rectangular in the interaction with manuscript (facsimilie) images because the rectangle is not always ammenable to the text itself.

Need to have a way of describing the direction of writing in a div.like element for both medieval and modern manuscripts. Perhaps a global attribute that makes it possible to describe the directionality of a text.

In modern material have other textual elements, like the 'post-it' or other paper attached to the page. We need to offer an example of how to express the relationship of both the paper and the textual relationships using the elements which we have.

In different texts we have parts of text which we consider to be part of some genetic process, and we transcribe the other textual segments which are around it. Do we have an appropriate way to describe the relationships of a genetic core and the relationships of this to other textual elements present in the transcription. We can express this using linking, though it is difficult. This should be addressed in some respect in our writing on genetic criticism.