On a document revision text stage -
on a macro level grouping textblocks

Time

2009-01-25T14:13:52Z

Fotis Jannidis:

General goal: encode the sequence in which a text has been written down.

Texts usually allow to gather two forms of time-related informations:
1) exact dates
e.g. 12.2.1893 or Febr. 1902 or 1709 or 1719-1722.
2) relational information
Either in the form
a) before or after a given date
e.g. 'after 1718' or 'before 2.12.1934' or 'after Febr. 1730 and before 1734'
b) before simultaneous with or after another source or entry
e.g. 'after H1' or 'after H2'

These informations can be given explicitly or implicitly (based on inferences by the editor)
and the information can be given fully or partially

This kind of information can be mixed, for example: 'after H1 and before 1734'.
The lack of an explicit encoding implies a lack of information and must be handled accordingly in the sequence and timeline.

The encoding should allow to encode these informations as a sequence. In some cases it is not possible to determine the exact sequence because more than one sequence can be detailed based on the existing information. In some cases it won't be possible to attribute a source to a definite part of the sequence.

Should allow to encode two views: sequence and timeline (calender) Not all elements of the text can be attributed exactly to one sequence, some can't be attributed not at all. Only some some elements can be dated exactly.
Sequences are not monolinear, but can branch etc. It should be possible to make implicit sequences explicit

Sentences become agrammatical by corrections; marking the level of correction where this becomes necessary

We have to allow editors to choose what elements they want to choose

Sequence / time information should be kept on an own level as standoff markup

Especially the dating of manuscripts or passages of texts is often hotly disputed. It should be possible to
a) give the reasons for an editorial decision like attributing a certain date.
b) document discussion and alternative arguments

2008-11-14T18:29:52Z

Fotis Jannidis: New page: present: Hilde Boe, Fotis Jannidis, Federico Meschini, Malte Rehbein, Elena Pierazzo, Justin Tonra discussion led by Elena, minutes by Fotis [I forgot to take down the names of all present...

present: Hilde Boe, Fotis Jannidis, Federico Meschini, Malte Rehbein, Elena Pierazzo, Justin Tonra
discussion led by Elena, minutes by Fotis
[I forgot to take down the names of all present, so please add yours in case I missed it.]

4 groups of problems:

<ol start="I">
<li>textual alterations etc. </li>
<li>time</li>
<li>grouping changes</li>
<li>a coordinate system for relation of different witnesses</li>
<li>expressing of the interpretation of sequences</li>
<li>Uncertainty</li>
</ol>

===I textual alteration===
Addition, deletion, transposition, clarification, substition (should allow for cases like stylisitic rewriting and total rewriting, looser way), restoration, overwriting, immediate/instant correction, functional mark (marked as used, printer marks, later scribe marks), gap for a planned insertion (which has been filled or not)

===II. Time===
Should note: Sequence and Timeline (calender)
Not all elements of the text can be attributed exactly to one sequence or nt at all
Only some some elements can be dated exactly
Sequences are not monolinear, but can branch etc.
It should be possible to make implicit sequences explicit

Sentences become agramatical by corrections; marking the level of correction where this becomes necessary

We have to allow editors to choose what elements they want to choose

Sequence / time information should be kept on an own level as standoff markup

===III. grouping changes on a page===
On a document
revision
text stage -

on a macro level
grouping textblocks

===IV. a coordinate system for relation of different witnesses===
There is the need to choose an coordinate reference, ether by using the last version or another text or an abstract model of the text. The model should make it possible to reference all text elements (verses, lines, sentences…)

===V. expressing of the interpretation of sequences ===
Free text, typified arguments should also be possible

===VI. Uncertainty===
Adding to the exisitng TEI-schema
Add rankings: this is the most probable way (or more probable than 2 or 3 etc)
Add relations: this constellation is more probably than that constellation.

===Agenda===
1) Proposal for money for the workshop
2) Meeting in Oxford with James / or Sebastian in Oxford (January would be possible)
3) Fotis puts minutes on the wiki, link to a google doc
4) Malte organizes dates for skype conferences

Genetic Editions

2008-11-14T18:09:20Z

Fotis Jannidis:

At the Members Meeting in London in November, a panel focussing on the problem of genetic editions is planned.

== Meetings ==
Workshop during the TEI-meeting 2008 in London -> [[minutes London 2008]]

== Useful Resources ==
* HyperNietsche
** [http://www.hypernietzsche.org/doc/HNML/ HMNL], in [http://www.hypernietzsche.org/doc/HNML/HNML-engl.pdf English], and in [http://www.hypernietzsche.org/doc/HNML/HNML-de.pdf German]
** Article on [http://computerphilologie.uni-muenchen.de/jg03/saller.html HMNL]
* Gabler, Hans Walter
** "Das wissenschaftliche Edieren als Funktion der Dokumente." Published at: [http://computerphilologie.tu-darmstadt.de/jg06/gabler.html http://computerphilologie.tu-darmstadt.de/jg06/gabler.html]; and in: Jahrbuch für Computerphilologie 8 (2007), 55-62.
** "The Primacy of the Document in Editing." Ecdotica 4 (2007), 197-207. [http://staff.cch.kcl.ac.uk/~epierazzo/Gabler%20Ecdotica%204.pdf download it from here]
** "La prééminence du document dans l’édition." In: Françoise Leriche et Cécile Maynard (eds.), De l'hypertexte au manuscrit. L'apport et les limites du numérique pour l'édition et la valorisation de manuscrits littéraires modernes. (Recherches & Travaux, no. 72.) Grenoble: ELLUG, 2008, pp. 39-51.[http://staff.cch.kcl.ac.uk/~epierazzo/GABLER%20definitif.pdf download it from here]

SIG:MSS

2008-11-14T18:05:36Z

Fotis Jannidis: /* News */

== TEI Special Interest Group on Manuscripts (TEI MS SIG) ==

=== News ===

'''Agenda for the SIG meeting: London 8th of November 2008.'''

* 9:30-11:00
** Working papers panel: presentations and discussion
* 11:30-13:00
** End of discussion (if necessary)
** Working Groups:
*** Manuscript description Enhancement (chair: Torsten Schassan); the WG Wiki page can be found [[msDesc enhancement|here]]
*** Genetic editions (chair: Fotis Jannidis); the WG Wiki page can be found [[Genetic Editions |here]]
* 14:00-15:30
** Working Groups: continuation
* 16:00-17:30
** Working Group: report and discussion
** Approval of possible actions (features requests; bug reports, etc.)
** Drawing of an agenda for the SIG on going work

=== Introduction ===

The goal of the TEI Special Interest Group on Manuscripts is to bring together users of the TEI who wish to improve the encoding strategies for marking up transcriptions and editions of manuscript materials.

This SIG will explore a range of issues common to editing manuscripts, including:
# how to handle time based encoding
# how to record place based encoding
# how to encode fragments
# how to record codicology (the substance of the medium, ink stints, etc); Robinson noted that the TEI already has mechanisms to record this, but it needs to be better documented
# issues of substitutions
# issues of variation
# to clarify the role of using the critical apparatus tagset in manuscript transcription (which is dependent on whether one is encoding an edition or encoding a manuscript transcription)

It will do this by:
* running a mailing list on this topic
* assess the TEI and suggest improvements/alterations to the TEI-Council

The SIG is setup by:
* Elena Pierazzo of the University of Pisa (Italy)
* Susan Schreibman of the Maryland Institute for Technology in the Humanities (US), who is also a member of the TEI Council.
* Edward Vanhoutte of the Centre for [http://www.kantl.be/ctb/ Scholarly Editing and Document Studies] of the Royal Academy of Dutch Language and Literature (Belgium), who is also a member of the TEI Council.

The SIG is convened by Elena Pierazzo who also manages the TEI-MS-SIG List

The SIG runs a mailing list on this topic. To join visit http://listserv.brown.edu/tei-ms-sig.html

=== Activities ===

The SIG met at the Third Annual TEI Members' Meeting in Nancy, France on 08 November 2003. The report can be found [http://www.tei-c.org.uk/Activities/SIG/Manuscript/mssigr01.html here].

The second meeting of the SIG was held at the Fourth Annual TEI Members' Meeting at Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, USA, 23 October 2004. The report can be found [http://www.tei-c.org.uk/Activities/SIG/Manuscript/mssigr02.html here].

The third meeting of the SIG was held at Seventh Annual TEI Member's Meeting at University of Maryland, College Park, 3nd of November 2007. The agenda of the meeting can be found [[MS SIG Agenda 2007|here]]; the report can be found [[MS SIG Report 07|here]]. During the meeting several task forces were created to deal with specific problems: the task forces main page can be found [[MS task forces|here]].

=== Useful links ===

==== Manuscript Description ====

Projects, resources, guidelines concerning MS description.

* [http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/html/MS.html TEI P5: 13. Manuscript Description]
* [http://enrich.manuscriptorium.com ENRICH project] - standardising and aggregating medieval manuscript descriptions. See also [http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ENRICH/ OUCS ENRICH Website] containing ENRICH Schemas, ODD, Documentation and Training Materials.
* [http://sunsite3.berkeley.edu/Scriptorium/ Digital Scriptorium] (see especially the [http://sunsite3.berkeley.edu/Scriptorium/technical/description_dtd.html DESCRIPTION DTD] page).
* [http://www.hab.de/forschung/projekte/master-e.htm MASTER - Interface format for the description of medieval manuscripts]
* [http://www.tei-c.org/Activities/MS/msw05.xml Reviews of the manuscript description chapter: A summary]

==== Manuscript Transcription ====

Projects, resources, guidelines concerning MS transcription.

* [http://www.cdlib.org/inside/diglib/stwg/ms/ CDL Encoding Guidelines for Manuscripts and Rare Books]
* [http://www.kantl.be/ctb/project/dalf/ DALF: Digital Archive of Letters in Flanders]
* [http://www.scriptorium.columbia.edu/ Digital Scriptorium] (see especially the [https://www1.columbia.edu/sec/cu/libraries/bts/digital_scriptorium/technical/ds-xml/transcription_dtd/index.html TRANSCRIPTION DTD] and [https://www1.columbia.edu/sec/cu/libraries/bts/digital_scriptorium/technical/ds-xml/description_dtd/index.html DESCRIPTION DTD] pages).
* [[EpiDoc]], guidelines for transcribing ancient texts
* [http://skaldic.arts.usyd.edu.au/docs/guidelines/guide.html Guidelines for the electronic edition of the skaldic corpus]
* [http://web.uvic.ca/hrd/lydgate/pilot.htm Partial Transcription of John Lydgate's "Fall of Princes"]
* [http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/newton/index.jsp The Chymistry of Isaac Newton]
* [http://gandalf.aksis.uib.no/menota/guidelines/ The Menota handbook]
* [http://www.newtonproject.ic.ac.uk/prism.php?id=1 The Newton Project] (see also [http://ahds.ac.uk/creating/case-studies/newton/index.htm The Newton Project: Implementing and Exploiting XML]).
* [http://www.whitmanarchive.org/guidelines/ The Walt Whitman Archive Encoding Guidelines for Poetry Manuscripts]
* [http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/seenet/piers/protocoltran.html Transcriptional Protocols: Piers Plowman Electronic Archive and SEENET]
* [http://elec.enc.sorbonne.fr/chroniqueslatines/ Chroniques latines de Saint-Denis] : critical edition using TEI P4 (but we hope to migrate in P5 this year) : [http://elec.enc.sorbonne.fr/chroniqueslatines/xml/chroniquesstdenis.xml XML Files]
* [http://lemo.irht.cnrs.fr/43/43-12.htm Réflexions sur l'utilisation de la TEI pour encoder les sources diplomatiques] and [http://elec.enc.sorbonne.fr/cartulaireblanc/guidebalisage/ Guide du balisage du Cartulaire blanc] : two resources in French
* [http://ccfm.ens-lsh.fr/IMG/pdf/BFM-Mss_Encodage-XML.pdf Base de Français Médiéval - MSS Encoding Guidelines (in French)]

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