Minutes for May 26, 2009 - Revision history

Kshawkin: /* @type/@key persName/orgName */ clarifications

2009-05-27T13:03:56Z

@type/@key persName/orgName: clarifications

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	* Need a taxonomy element in the Header.		* Need a taxonomy element in the Header.
	* What's the difference between lccn-n78-#### (OCLC World Cat Identities) and lcnaf #? Should we align these?		* What's the difference between lccn-n78-#### (OCLC World Cat Identities) and lcnaf #? Should we align these?
	* ~~Need~~ to develop a local scheme for referencing authority files under General Recommendations. Also add ref/key elements under ~~GR section~~.		* Explain the need to develop a local ref/key scheme for referencing authority files under General Recommendations. Also add ref/key elements under "General Guidelines for Attribute Usage".

	== Linking to outside Metadata schemes==		== Linking to outside Metadata schemes==

Mdalmau at 22:31, 26 May 2009

2009-05-26T22:31:33Z

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	'''In Attendance:''' <br>		'''In Attendance:''' <br>
	Syd, Kevin, Michelle, Matthew, Rich, Melanie, Natasha, Perry and Glen		Syd, Kevin, Michelle, Matthew, Rich, Melanie, Natasha, Perry and Glen

Mdalmau: /* Hyphenation */

2009-05-26T22:31:01Z

Hyphenation

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	'''In Attendance:''' <br>		'''In Attendance:''' <br>
	Syd, Kevin, Michelle, Matthew, Rich, Melanie, Natasha, Perry and Glen		Syd, Kevin, Michelle, Matthew, Rich, Melanie, Natasha, Perry and Glen
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	* Subgroup needs to form		* Subgroup needs to form

	==Conference Call Schedule		==Conference Call Schedule==
	* Schedule next call a week from today to wrap up the pending issues.		* Schedule next call a week from today to wrap up the pending issues.
	* By July, calls can ease up or stop entirely		* By July, calls can ease up or stop entirely

Mdalmau at 22:00, 26 May 2009

2009-05-26T22:00:38Z

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	'''In Attendance:''' <br>		'''In Attendance:''' <br>

Mdalmau at 22:00, 26 May 2009

2009-05-26T22:00:23Z

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	== Linking to outside Metadata schemes==		== Linking to outside Metadata schemes==
	--Syd doesn't ~~like it~~: There's nothing at all that stops us for incorporating non-TEI metadata in the Header. Since we are making ODDs we can support the embedding of metadata schemes and values. METS handle this so should we even embed metadata.		* Syd doesn't agree: There's nothing at all that stops us for incorporating non-TEI metadata in the Header. Since we are making ODDs we can support the embedding of metadata schemes and values.
	--Linking ~~doesn't exist as fully~~ (but then we need to provide recommendations for what a minimum header looks like)		* But METS handle this so should we even embed metadata?
	--TEI document has an xml:id that references a METS.		* Need time to provide thoughful recommendations for embedding
	--Melanie recommends that the Header subgroup reforms to work on these issues.		* Linking to other schemes can be hacked (but then we need to provide recommendations for what a minimum header looks like)
	~~--Not~~ part of version 3.		* TEI document has an xml:id that references a METS or some other file, but it doesn't provide sufficient context.
	--Kevin will revise this text slightly.		* Melanie recommends that the Header subgroup reforms to work on these issues.
			* Neither embedding or linking recommendations will be part of version 3 of the best practices
			* Kevin will revise this text slightly to clarify and to indicate future revisions will handle this.

	Rendition in header?		== Rendition in header ==
	--Use CSS instead. Use the rendition element in the Header; css rules in the Header. Method of indirection.		* Use CSS instead. Use the rendition element in the Header; css rules in the Header. Method of indirection.
	--Inline CSS versus defining CSS in the Header?		* Inline CSS versus defining CSS in the Header? What are the pros and cons?
	~~--Every time a new style is discovered in~~ the ~~document; add to the Header~~ and ~~represent in CSS. Only create the short cut when used a lot.~~		* Rendition placed in external file and xinclude it in the Header or define it in the Header; minimizes errors and keystrokes. Maximizes single renidtion reference for a set of documents.
	--Rendition placed in external file and xinclude it in the Header or define it in the Header; minimizes errors and keystrokes.		* Level 3 use rend (with inline CSS) and not rendition and level 4 say that rendition have X advantages?
	--Level 3 use rend (with inline CSS) and not rendition and level 4 say that rendition have X advantages.		* Worth saying that rend SHOULD NOT be used in the Header
	--Worth saying that rend SHOULD NOT be used in the Header		* Place under general attributes message and support both
	--Place under general attributes message.		* CSS inline (easier to process) or level of indirection (minimize errors) in the Header
	--CSS inline (easier to process) or level of indirection (minimize errors) in the Header

	Level 5		== Level 5 ==
	--Axed the examples and mimicked the sections for the other levels.		* Axed the examples and mimicked the sections for the other levels.
	--Header and general recommendations still apply for Level 5		* Header and general recommendations still apply for Level 5
	--Syd: feels that it's more than just the Header, level 4 + extra stuff + general recommendations.		* Syd: feels that it's more than just the Header, level 4 + extra stuff + general recommendations.
	--Glen ~~could~~ add the other bits.		* Glen will clairfy and add the other bits.

	Hyphenation		==Hyphenation==
	~~--Recommend~~ the Tite way (to facilitate conversion)		* Kevin recommends the Tite way (to facilitate conversion)
	~~--EOL hyphens in Tite (distinguish between hard and soft hyphens; use soft hyphen document if there weren't a line break; and use ASCII for hard hyphen). Preference to hard hyphens.~~		* Should be an editorial decision?
	--Should be an editorial decision.		* Improve recall when searching for a corpus (Tite rationale).
	--Improve recall when searching for a corpus (Tite rationale).		* hyphenation in the header needs to be re-worded
	--hyphenation in the header needs to be re-worded		* Perry disagrees; Tite won't represent the majority of projects already created and many projects won't conform to this. Perry and Syd don't feel this is the best practice.
	--Perry disagrees; Tite won't represent the majority of projects already created and many projects won't conform to this. Perry and Syd don't feel this is the best practice.		* Level 1/2 generated in OCR, OCR software can remove soft hyphens. Abbey FineReader (can remove soft hyphens).
	--Level 1/2 generated in OCR, OCR software can remove soft hyphens. Abbey FineReader (can remove soft hyphens). Defer to next call.		* Defer issue to next call or email discussion.
	--Subgroup needs to form		* Subgroup needs to form

	Schedule next call a week from today to wrap up the pending issues.		==Conference Call Schedule
			* Schedule next call a week from today to wrap up the pending issues.
			* By July, calls can ease up or stop entirely

Mdalmau at 21:51, 26 May 2009

2009-05-26T21:51:55Z

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	* Kevin will re-word these so that they not rhetorical questions but examples of kinds of info. one would include in the editorialDecl.		* Kevin will re-word these so that they not rhetorical questions but examples of kinds of info. one would include in the editorialDecl.

	== Use <tt><ref></tt> for ToC example in Level 3 ==		== Use <tt><ref></tt> for ToC example in Level 3 ==
	* level 3 in ToC should use to <tt><ref></tt> tag for specific pages. Use <ptr> when there's no		* level 3 in ToC should use to <tt><ref></tt> tag for specific pages. Use <tt><ptr></tt> when there's no
	page numbers, but <tt><ref></tt> examples in the P5 Guidelines has page numbers.		page numbers, but <tt><ref></tt> examples in the P5 Guidelines has page numbers.
	* Why do we bother encoding ToC anyway? Michigan doesn't encode the ToC.		* Why do we bother encoding ToC anyway? Michigan doesn't encode the ToC.
	* Add a note you may not want to bother encoding the ToC (optiional) if system will generate this automatically, but you plan to manually encode the ToC, here's an example.		* Add a note you may not want to bother encoding the ToC (optiional) if system will generate this automatically, but you plan to manually encode the ToC, here's an example.
	* Same for list of illustrations occurring in prefatory pages (add to level 3 description) about possibly removing these as well.		* Same for list of illustrations occurring in prefatory pages (add to level 3 description) about possibly removing these as well.

			== @type/@key persName/orgName==
			* Added type values for marc100 and marc110 (to better represent author names + dates).
			* Did not add marc 111 or marc 130.
			* Have a key attribute that would reference an authority file. Key is not really an ID/REF type.
			* Need a taxonomy element in the Header.
			* What's the difference between lccn-n78-#### (OCLC World Cat Identities) and lcnaf #? Should we align these?
			* Need to develop a local scheme for referencing authority files under General Recommendations. Also add ref/key elements under GR section.

	~~--@type/@key persName/orgName~~		== Linking to outside Metadata schemes==
	Added type values for marc100 and marc110 (to deal with author names + dates). Did not add marc 111 or marc 130. Have a key attribute that would reference an authority file. Key is not really an ID/REF type. Need a taxonomy element in the Header.

	What's the difference between lccn-n78-#### (OCLC World Cat Identities) and lcnaf #? Should we align these? Need to develop a local scheme for referencing authority files under General Recommendations. Also add ref/key elements under GR sections.

	Linking to outside Metadata schemes
	--Syd doesn't like it: There's nothing at all that stops us for incorporating non-TEI metadata in the Header. Since we are making ODDs we can support the embedding of metadata schemes and values. METS handle this so should we even embed metadata.		--Syd doesn't like it: There's nothing at all that stops us for incorporating non-TEI metadata in the Header. Since we are making ODDs we can support the embedding of metadata schemes and values. METS handle this so should we even embed metadata.
	--Linking doesn't exist as fully (but then we need to provide recommendations for what a minimum header looks like)		--Linking doesn't exist as fully (but then we need to provide recommendations for what a minimum header looks like)

Mdalmau at 21:48, 26 May 2009

2009-05-26T21:48:57Z

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	'''Note taker:''' Michelle		'''Note taker:''' Michelle


	== Level attribute on title element ==		== Level attribute on title element ==
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	* So have it in all cases		* So have it in all cases

	~~pending~~ revisions~~/Raleigh~~		== Pending revisions ==
	--AACR questions pulled from the header element description (for editorialDecl).		* AACR questions pulled from the header element description (for editorialDecl).
	Rhetorical questions ... could be confusing. Kevin will re-word these so that they not rhetorical questions but examples of kinds of info. one would include in the editorialDecl.		* Rhetorical questions ... could be confusing.
			* Kevin will re-word these so that they not rhetorical questions but examples of kinds of info. one would include in the editorialDecl.

			== Use <tt><ref></tt> for ToC example in Level 3 ==
			* level 3 in ToC should use to <tt><ref></tt> tag for specific pages. Use <ptr> when there's no
			page numbers, but <tt><ref></tt> examples in the P5 Guidelines has page numbers.
			* Why do we bother encoding ToC anyway? Michigan doesn't encode the ToC.
			* Add a note you may not want to bother encoding the ToC (optiional) if system will generate this automatically, but you plan to manually encode the ToC, here's an example.
			* Same for list of illustrations occurring in prefatory pages (add to level 3 description) about possibly removing these as well.

	~~--level 3 in ToC should use to <ref> tag for specific pages. The <ptr> there's no~~
	~~page numbers, but <ref> examples in the P5 Guidelines has page numbers.~~
	~~Why do we bother encoding ToC anyway? Michigan doesn't encode the ToC.~~
	Add a note you may not want to bother encoding the ToC (optiional) if system will generate this automatically, but you plan to manually encode the ToC, here's an example. Same for list of illustrations occurring in prefatory pages (add to level 3 description) about possibly removing these as well.

	--@type/@key persName/orgName		--@type/@key persName/orgName

Mdalmau: New page: DRAFT DRAFT: NEEDS CLEAN UP SO DON'T READ NOW! '''In Attendance:'''
Syd, Kevin, Michelle, Matthew, Rich, Melanie, Natasha, Perry and Glen '''Note taker:''' Michelle == Level attri...

2009-05-26T18:56:27Z

New page: DRAFT DRAFT: NEEDS CLEAN UP SO DON'T READ NOW! '''In Attendance:''' <br> Syd, Kevin, Michelle, Matthew, Rich, Melanie, Natasha, Perry and Glen '''Note taker:''' Michelle == Level attri...

New page

DRAFT DRAFT: NEEDS CLEAN UP SO DON'T READ NOW!

'''In Attendance:''' <br>
Syd, Kevin, Michelle, Matthew, Rich, Melanie, Natasha, Perry and Glen

'''Note taker:''' Michelle

== Level attribute on title element ==

* use of level on title; Guidelines ambiguous; got clarification via SourceForge
* Guidelines said the attribute was required when applicable (supposed to
be recommended when applicable)
* Usage note now clarified; don't have to use it if value can be inferred (e.g. title in a series, don't need title level="s")
* Do we have in all cases, or only when it can not be inferred?
* Perry thinks we should avoid inference route; easier to process
* So have it in all cases

pending revisions/Raleigh
--AACR questions pulled from the header element description (for editorialDecl).
Rhetorical questions ... could be confusing. Kevin will re-word these so that they not rhetorical questions but examples of kinds of info. one would include in the editorialDecl.

--level 3 in ToC should use to <ref> tag for specific pages. The <ptr> there's no
page numbers, but <ref> examples in the P5 Guidelines has page numbers.
Why do we bother encoding ToC anyway? Michigan doesn't encode the ToC.
Add a note you may not want to bother encoding the ToC (optiional) if system will generate this automatically, but you plan to manually encode the ToC, here's an example. Same for list of illustrations occurring in prefatory pages (add to level 3 description) about possibly removing these as well.

--@type/@key persName/orgName
Added type values for marc100 and marc110 (to deal with author names + dates). Did not add marc 111 or marc 130. Have a key attribute that would reference an authority file. Key is not really an ID/REF type. Need a taxonomy element in the Header.

What's the difference between lccn-n78-#### (OCLC World Cat Identities) and lcnaf #? Should we align these? Need to develop a local scheme for referencing authority files under General Recommendations. Also add ref/key elements under GR sections.

Linking to outside Metadata schemes
--Syd doesn't like it: There's nothing at all that stops us for incorporating non-TEI metadata in the Header. Since we are making ODDs we can support the embedding of metadata schemes and values. METS handle this so should we even embed metadata.
--Linking doesn't exist as fully (but then we need to provide recommendations for what a minimum header looks like)
--TEI document has an xml:id that references a METS.
--Melanie recommends that the Header subgroup reforms to work on these issues.
--Not part of version 3.
--Kevin will revise this text slightly.

Rendition in header?
--Use CSS instead. Use the rendition element in the Header; css rules in the Header. Method of indirection.
--Inline CSS versus defining CSS in the Header?
--Every time a new style is discovered in the document; add to the Header and represent in CSS. Only create the short cut when used a lot.
--Rendition placed in external file and xinclude it in the Header or define it in the Header; minimizes errors and keystrokes.
--Level 3 use rend (with inline CSS) and not rendition and level 4 say that rendition have X advantages.
--Worth saying that rend SHOULD NOT be used in the Header
--Place under general attributes message.
--CSS inline (easier to process) or level of indirection (minimize errors) in the Header

Level 5
--Axed the examples and mimicked the sections for the other levels.
--Header and general recommendations still apply for Level 5
--Syd: feels that it's more than just the Header, level 4 + extra stuff + general recommendations.
--Glen could add the other bits.

Hyphenation
--Recommend the Tite way (to facilitate conversion)
--EOL hyphens in Tite (distinguish between hard and soft hyphens; use soft hyphen document if there weren't a line break; and use ASCII for hard hyphen). Preference to hard hyphens.
--Should be an editorial decision.
--Improve recall when searching for a corpus (Tite rationale).
--hyphenation in the header needs to be re-worded
--Perry disagrees; Tite won't represent the majority of projects already created and many projects won't conform to this. Perry and Syd don't feel this is the best practice.
--Level 1/2 generated in OCR, OCR software can remove soft hyphens. Abbey FineReader (can remove soft hyphens). Defer to next call.
--Subgroup needs to form

Schedule next call a week from today to wrap up the pending issues.

Minutes for May 26, 2009 - Revision history

Kshawkin: /* @type/@key persName/orgName */ clarifications

Mdalmau at 22:31, 26 May 2009

Mdalmau: /* Hyphenation */

Mdalmau at 22:00, 26 May 2009

Mdalmau at 22:00, 26 May 2009

Mdalmau at 21:51, 26 May 2009

Mdalmau at 21:48, 26 May 2009

Mdalmau: New page: DRAFT DRAFT: NEEDS CLEAN UP SO DON'T READ NOW! '''In Attendance:''' Syd, Kevin, Michelle, Matthew, Rich, Melanie, Natasha, Perry and Glen '''Note taker:''' Michelle == Level attri...

Mdalmau: New page: DRAFT DRAFT: NEEDS CLEAN UP SO DON'T READ NOW! '''In Attendance:'''
Syd, Kevin, Michelle, Matthew, Rich, Melanie, Natasha, Perry and Glen '''Note taker:''' Michelle == Level attri...