SIGcorresp Minutes 20111015 - Revision history

Joachim Veit at 22:26, 29 October 2011

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Joachim Veit at 22:19, 29 October 2011

2011-10-29T22:19:20Z

Joachim Veit at 22:17, 29 October 2011

2011-10-29T22:17:54Z

Joachim Veit: first step of a few revisions and clarifications

2011-10-29T22:16:54Z

first step of a few revisions and clarifications

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‎Discussion <correspDesc> (or similar)

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‎How to proceed

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 ** Peter Stadler had put a P5-customization (ODD) into discussion on the SIG:s mailing list, allowing for a core <corresDesc/> inside <tei:sourceDesc/>
-* Meanwhile EV and RVB (KANTL) are mapping DALF to P5. In P5 many of the former P4 <dalf:letDesc/> elements had already been included in <tei:msDesc/>; nevertheless an inventory of the remaining additional correspondence elements which should be part of a correspondence specific customization would be very useful for further discussion. Mapping and ODDification of DALF-TEI could be completed by the end of the year
+* Meanwhile EV and RVB (KANTL) are mapping DALF to P5. In P5 many of the former P4 <dalf:letDesc/> elements had already been included in <tei:msDesc/>; nevertheless an inventory of the remaining additional correspondence elements which should be part of a correspondence specific customization would be very useful for further discussion. Mapping and ODDification of DALF to TEI P5 could be completed by the end of the year
-* Edvard Munch letters have been transcribed in perfect uncustomised TEI, Hilde Boe should be asked if some examples may be published in the wiki for further discussion
+* Edvard Munch letters have been transcribed in perfect uncustomized TEI, Hilde Boe should be asked if some examples may be published in the wiki for further discussion
-* in order to assist further discussion a comparison of these three shall be made; EV and RVB volunteered
+* In order to assist further discussion a comparison of these three solutions will be an essential prerequisite
-'''=> PRELIMINARY GOAL: Publish a comparison of the three solutions on the WiKi (and later anlarge this collection)'''
+'''=> PRELIMINARY GOAL: Publish a comparison of the three solutions on the WiKi (and later enlarge this collection)'''
 * EP brought forward that in aiming for a TEI feature request one will have to take into account:
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 * FJ opted against starting with a "superSIG", before finishing this SIG:s work, as it is obvious that there will be no quick results, which would frustrate people
 * RVB put in that defining a small set of elements would be more convenient for further generalisation and integration
-* SB pointed out that in the end a tboDesc could be the right thing and the SIG should try to feed in specific things
+* SB pointed out that in the end a tboDesc could be the right thing and the SIGs should try to feed in specific things
 * Based on her experiences with the TEI-council EP suggests not to strive after "big things" because one has to consider that backwards compatibility always prevents too ambitious solutions; if the SIG goes that way things might be developed and then dropped
 ** As there will not be a modification of tei:msDesc EP recommends aiming for a customisation

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 '''=> PRELIMINARY GOAL: Publish a comparison of the three solutions on the WiKi (and later anlarge this collection)'''
-* EP brought forward that in aiming for a feature request in TEI one will have to take into account:
+* EP brought forward that in aiming for a TEI feature request one will have to take into account:
 ** the current discussion about tei:msDesc in the SIG:manuscripts: introducing a tboDesc (text bearing object) in order to address a greater amplitude of "manuscripts"
 ** the idea of forming a "superMetaSIG" in order to coordinate efforts in creating a "elephantDesc" (i.e. a common thing allowing for descriptions of as many textual sources as possible)

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−	== Participants ==	+	== Participants in the Wuerzburg Meeting, Oct 15, 2011 ==

	* Fotis Jannidis (FJ)		* Fotis Jannidis (FJ)

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 * Elena Pierazzo (EP)
 * Lou Burnard (LB)
-* Joachim Veit (JV) - head of meeting
+* Joachim Veit (JV) - convener
 * Martin de la Iglesia (MI)
 * Stefan Cramme (SC)
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 == Discussion <correspDesc> (or similar) ==
-* current sketch:
+* Sketch of the current situation:
-** DALF as P4 customization offers a lot of elements for letter description
+** DALF as P4 customization offers a lot of special elements for letter description
-** Peter Stadler had put a customization (ODD) into discussion on the SIG:s mailing list, allowing for a core corresDecs inside tei:sourceDesc
+** Peter Stadler had put a P5-customization (ODD) into discussion on the SIG:s mailing list, allowing for a core <corresDesc/> inside <tei:sourceDesc/>
-* meanwhile EV and RVB (KANTL) have mapped DALF to P5, allowing for many of the dalf:letterDesc elemens in tei:msDesc in order to suffice the needs of their project; nevertheless they will contribute and are willing to receive input; mapping and ODDification of DALF-TEI could be completed by the end of the year
+* Meanwhile EV and RVB (KANTL) are mapping DALF to P5. In P5 many of the former P4 <dalf:letDesc/> elements had already been included in <tei:msDesc/>; nevertheless an inventory of the remaining additional correspondence elements which should be part of a correspondence specific customization would be very useful for further discussion. Mapping and ODDification of DALF-TEI could be completed by the end of the year
-* Edvard Munch letters have been transcribed in perfect uncustomised TEI
+* Edvard Munch letters have been transcribed in perfect uncustomised TEI, Hilde Boe should be asked if some examples may be published in the wiki for further discussion
 * in order to assist further discussion a comparison of these three shall be made; EV and RVB volunteered
-'''=> PRELIMINARY GOAL: publish comparison on WiKi'''
+'''=> PRELIMINARY GOAL: Publish a comparison of the three solutions on the WiKi (and later anlarge this collection)'''
-* EP brought forward that in aiming for a feature request in TEI one will have to take into account
+* EP brought forward that in aiming for a feature request in TEI one will have to take into account:
-** the current discussion on tei:msDesc in the SIG:manuscripts: introducing a tboDesc (text bearing object) in order to address a greater amplitude of "manuscripts"
+** the current discussion about tei:msDesc in the SIG:manuscripts: introducing a tboDesc (text bearing object) in order to address a greater amplitude of "manuscripts"
-** notions of forming a "superMetaSIG" in order to coordinate efforts in creating a "elephantDesc" (i.e. a common thing allowing for descriptions of as many textual sources as possible)
+** the idea of forming a "superMetaSIG" in order to coordinate efforts in creating a "elephantDesc" (i.e. a common thing allowing for descriptions of as many textual sources as possible)
-* FJ opted against starting with a "superSIG", before finishing the SIG:s work, as it is obvious that there will be no quick results, which would frustrate poeple
+* FJ opted against starting with a "superSIG", before finishing this SIG:s work, as it is obvious that there will be no quick results, which would frustrate people
 * RVB put in that defining a small set of elements would be more convenient for further generalisation and integration
-* SB pointed out that in the end a tboDesc could be the right thing and teh SIG should try to feed in specific things
+* SB pointed out that in the end a tboDesc could be the right thing and the SIG should try to feed in specific things
-* EP from her TEI-council experiences things developed for a bigger things have been problematic and many elements have been depricated but cannot be dropped because of backwards compatibility; if the SIG goes that way things might be developed and then dropped
+* Based on her experiences with the TEI-council EP suggests not to strive after "big things" because one has to consider that backwards compatibility always prevents too ambitious solutions; if the SIG goes that way things might be developed and then dropped
-** as there will not be a modification ot tei:msDesc EP recommends aiming for a customisation
+** As there will not be a modification of tei:msDesc EP recommends aiming for a customisation
-* JV stated that as far as he understood, the wish for a subsetContainer for a very restricted info about letters has a consesus
+* JV stated that as far as he understood, the wish for a subsetContainer for a very restricted set of new correspondence elements has a consensus
-'''=> MIDDLE-TERM GOAL: publish a "official" customization'''
+'''=> MIDDLE-TERM GOAL: develop a proposal for "official" customizations'''
 == Discussion on future work ==
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 * JV asked for a taskforce and definition of some future activities
 * RVDB hopes DALF will conclude their efforts in P5 mapping until the end of the year
-* FJ proposed a comparison of the two customisations and the P5-conformant encoding at Munch Letters; EV (DALF/KANTL) voluntered on setting up the comparison
+* FJ proposed a comparison of the two currently discussed customizations and the P5-conformant encoding of the Munch Letters; EV (DALF/KANTL) volunteered on setting up the comparison
-* JV called for examples in order to see the differences and supply other projects with some orientation and information for their work
+* JV asked for examples in order to point up the differences and supply other projects with some orientation and information for their work as early as possible
 ** EV at the edition we started in march [PLEASES FILL IN THE URL] there you can see the XML
-* EP prefers a tighter plan that could even result in a porposal for a TEI-Microgrant
+* EP prefers a tighter plan that could even result in a porposal for a TEI-microgrant
 ** e.g. the purpose of two days will be: "we collect letters and put them in the WiKi" or similar; someone will have to coordinate especially if the grant will come out maybe next month
 * LB proposed a more complete overview of how to edit letters as one would have to be very careful not to think these 3 will cover everything;
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 * EP clarified that it should be about a starting point first
 * JV added as we are dependant on the SIG contributors, there is only a very small field of letters at the moment
-** EP modern, renaissance and medieval letters are completely different
+** EP: modern, renaissance and medieval letters are completely different
-** SB interested in wether the TEI council will consider E-Mail as corresp or CMC (computer mediated communication)
+** SB: interested in whether the TEI council will consider E-Mail as corresp or CMC (computer mediated communication)
-*** EP the SIG has to define what they deal with
+*** EP: the SIG has to define what they deal with
-*** SB a guidance / thoughts from council will be interesting
+*** SB: a guidance / thoughts from council will be interesting
 '''=> MIDDLE-TERM GOAL: collect examples and find out what people have done'''
-* JV: for TEI-by-example it's a bit too early but how can we help people
+* JV: for TEI-by-example it's a bit too early but how can we help people who want to start with new editions?
-* LB: give the 3 examples mentioned above, one has to figure out which is best for own purpose
+* LB: give the 3 examples mentioned above, one has to figure out which is best for one's own purpose
 * JR's college is looking for a recommendation (editorial note: and certainly other projects as well)
 * LB: you must make an intellectual deciscion
 * EP: it's hard for the beginning; it's ultimately the rule to give something: "the best practice might be..."
-* JR would like to see recommendations because else people might loose interest
+* JR: would like to see recommendations because otherwise people might loose interest
-* JV many want to cooperate and with a common solution it's easier
+* JV: There is a clear wish for cooperation between editors of correspondence and with common solutions this would be much easier
 * LB: first common ground is TEI; a meta-recommendation could be a second step
 * FJ: common denominators work out of the box
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 * EP: sometimes you just want to do the thing everybody else does; I claim we should give guidance; there's nothing wrong with that
-'''=> MIDDLE-TERM GOAL: develope best practice models'''
+'''=> MIDDLE-TERM GOAL: develop best practice models'''
 '''=> LONG-TERM GOAL: make a compressed proposal (EP)'''
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 == other proposals ==
-* SB will try to sprousse up peters ODD to make it work with the TEI a little better
+* SB will try to sprousse up Peter's ODD to make it work with the TEI a little better
-* SB proposed having discussion around the comparison as conference call
+* SB proposed to make the discussions more visible by taking part in conference calls
 == DISCLAIMER: ==
-If I got any of you wrong or mispelled your names or anything else, please feel free to correct all of the above or contact me in order to do so --[[User:Bwbohl|Bwbohl]] 10:38, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
+If I got any of you wrong or misspelled your names or anything else, please feel free to correct all of the above or contact me in order to do so --[[User:Bwbohl|Bwbohl]] 10:38, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

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	== DISCLAIMER: ==		== DISCLAIMER: ==
−	If I got any of you wrong or mispelled your names please feel free to correct all of the above or contact me in order to do so --[[User:Bwbohl\|Bwbohl]] 10:38, 20 October 2011 (EDT)	+	If I got any of you wrong or mispelled your names or anything else, please feel free to correct all of the above or contact me in order to do so --[[User:Bwbohl\|Bwbohl]] 10:38, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

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	== DISCLAIMER: ==		== DISCLAIMER: ==
	If I got any of you wrong or mispelled your names please feel free to correct all of the above or contact me in order to do so --[[User:Bwbohl\|Bwbohl]] 10:38, 20 October 2011 (EDT)		If I got any of you wrong or mispelled your names please feel free to correct all of the above or contact me in order to do so --[[User:Bwbohl\|Bwbohl]] 10:38, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
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−	~~== ==~~
−
−	* JV for TEI-by-example it's a bit too early but how can we help people
−	~~Lou Burnard:give 3 say you figure~~
−	~~Ritter: My college is looking for a recommendation~~
−	~~Lou Bernard: you must make an intellectual deciscion, sorry~~
−	~~Elena: that's hard for the begining~~
−	~~Lou Burnard: life's hard~~
−	~~Elena: it's ultimately the rule to give something, the best practice might be this~~
−	~~Ritter: If there's no recommendation, I say do what you want as long as I can process~~
−	~~Veit: many want to cooperate and with a common solution it's easier~~
−	~~Lou Bernard: of course; doing TEI-things; meta-recommendation~~
−	~~Jannidis: common denominator work out of the box~~
−	~~Vanhoutten: you will compromise yourself in using a set not fit; designing your own encoding solution is your scholarly work~~
−	* EP sometimes you just want to do the thing everybody else does; I claim we should give guidance; there's nothing wrong with that; guide us for the start
−
−
−	* SB will:
−	** try to sprousse up peters odd to make it work with the TEI a little better
−	** Input form dalf comparison is really useful; we should have discussion around the comparison, better of as conference call than e-mail because it's harder to put off
−
−	~~'''=> LONGTERM GOAL: survey what poeple have done, generate a proposal'''~~

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	'''=> MIDDLE-TERM GOAL: publish a "official" customization'''		'''=> MIDDLE-TERM GOAL: publish a "official" customization'''

−	== ~~How~~ to ~~proceed =~~=	+
		+	* JV asked for a taskforce and definition of some future activities
		+	* RVDB hopes DALF will conclude their efforts in P5 mapping until the end of the year
		+	* FJ proposed a comparison of the two customisations and the P5-conformant encoding at Munch Letters; EV (DALF/KANTL) voluntered on setting up the comparison
		+	* JV called for examples in order to see the differences and supply other projects with some orientation and information for their work
		+	** EV at the edition we started in march [PLEASES FILL IN THE URL] there you can see the XML
		+	* EP prefers a tighter plan that could even result in a porposal for a TEI-Microgrant
		+	** e.g. the purpose of two days will be: "we collect letters and put them in the WiKi" or similar; someone will have to coordinate especially if the grant will come out maybe next month
		+	* LB proposed a more complete overview of how to edit letters as one would have to be very careful not to think these 3 will cover everything;
		+	** this would be wonderful but would need researchers and funding(EV)
		+	* EP clarified that it should be about a starting point first
		+	* JV added as we are dependant on the SIG contributors, there is only a very small field of letters at the moment
		+	* EP modern, renaissance and medieval letters are completely different
		+	* SB interested in wether the TEI council will consider E-Mail as corresp or CMC (computer mediated communication)
		+	* EP the SIG has to define what they deal with
		+	* SB a guidance / thoughts from council will be interesting
		+
		+	Elena: then we will have to find out what people have done; then a compressed proposal
		+
		+	== ==
		+
		+	* JV for TEI-by-example it's a bit too early but how can we help people
		+	Lou Burnard:give 3 say you figure
		+	Ritter: My college is looking for a recommendation
		+	Lou Bernard: you must make an intellectual deciscion, sorry
		+	Elena: that's hard for the begining
		+	Lou Burnard: life's hard
		+	Elena: it's ultimately the rule to give something, the best practice might be this
		+	Ritter: If there's no recommendation, I say do what you want as long as I can process
		+	Veit: many want to cooperate and with a common solution it's easier
		+	Lou Bernard: of course; doing TEI-things; meta-recommendation
		+	Jannidis: common denominator work out of the box
		+	Vanhoutten: you will compromise yourself in using a set not fit; designing your own encoding solution is your scholarly work
		+	* EP sometimes you just want to do the thing everybody else does; I claim we should give guidance; there's nothing wrong with that; guide us for the start
		+
		+
		+	* SB will:
		+	** try to sprousse up peters odd to make it work with the TEI a little better
		+	** Input form dalf comparison is really useful; we should have discussion around the comparison, better of as conference call than e-mail because it's harder to put off
		+
		+	'''=> LONGTERM GOAL: survey what poeple have done, generate a proposal'''

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 * Lou Burnard (LB)
 * Joachim Veit (JV) - head of meeting
-* Eglesias
+* Martin de la Iglesia (MI)
 * Stefan Cramme (SC)
 * Jörg Ritter (JR)
 * Sabine Seifert (SS)
 * Benjamin Wolff Bohl (BWB) - minutes
-* to be completed WITH MANY MORE, fell free to enter your name
+* some more that came in late, feel free to enter your name
 == Introduction (JV) ==