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* Kevin will re-word these so that they not rhetorical questions but examples of kinds of info. one would include in the editorialDecl. | * Kevin will re-word these so that they not rhetorical questions but examples of kinds of info. one would include in the editorialDecl. | ||
− | == Use <tt> | + | == Use <tt><ref></tt> for ToC example in Level 3 == |
− | * level 3 in ToC should use to <tt> | + | * level 3 in ToC should use to <tt><ref></tt> tag for specific pages. Use <tt><ptr></tt> when there's no |
− | page numbers, but <tt> | + | page numbers, but <tt><ref></tt> examples in the P5 Guidelines has page numbers. |
* Why do we bother encoding ToC anyway? Michigan doesn't encode the ToC. | * Why do we bother encoding ToC anyway? Michigan doesn't encode the ToC. | ||
* Add a note you may not want to bother encoding the ToC (optiional) if system will generate this automatically, but you plan to manually encode the ToC, here's an example. | * Add a note you may not want to bother encoding the ToC (optiional) if system will generate this automatically, but you plan to manually encode the ToC, here's an example. | ||
* Same for list of illustrations occurring in prefatory pages (add to level 3 description) about possibly removing these as well. | * Same for list of illustrations occurring in prefatory pages (add to level 3 description) about possibly removing these as well. | ||
+ | == @type/@key persName/orgName== | ||
+ | * Added type values for marc100 and marc110 (to better represent author names + dates). | ||
+ | * Did not add marc 111 or marc 130. | ||
+ | * Have a key attribute that would reference an authority file. Key is not really an ID/REF type. | ||
+ | * Need a taxonomy element in the Header. | ||
+ | * What's the difference between lccn-n78-#### (OCLC World Cat Identities) and lcnaf #? Should we align these? | ||
+ | * Explain the need to develop a local ref/key scheme for referencing authority files under General Recommendations. Also add ref/key elements under "General Guidelines for Attribute Usage". | ||
− | - | + | == Linking to outside Metadata schemes== |
− | + | * Syd doesn't agree: There's nothing at all that stops us for incorporating non-TEI metadata in the Header. Since we are making ODDs we can support the embedding of metadata schemes and values. | |
+ | * But METS handle this so should we even embed metadata? | ||
+ | * Need time to provide thoughful recommendations for embedding | ||
+ | * Linking to other schemes can be hacked (but then we need to provide recommendations for what a minimum header looks like) | ||
+ | * TEI document has an xml:id that references a METS or some other file, but it doesn't provide sufficient context. | ||
+ | * Melanie recommends that the Header subgroup reforms to work on these issues. | ||
+ | * Neither embedding or linking recommendations will be part of version 3 of the best practices | ||
+ | * Kevin will revise this text slightly to clarify and to indicate future revisions will handle this. | ||
− | What | + | == Rendition in header == |
+ | * Use CSS instead. Use the rendition element in the Header; css rules in the Header. Method of indirection. | ||
+ | * Inline CSS versus defining CSS in the Header? What are the pros and cons? | ||
+ | * Rendition placed in external file and xinclude it in the Header or define it in the Header; minimizes errors and keystrokes. Maximizes single renidtion reference for a set of documents. | ||
+ | * Level 3 use rend (with inline CSS) and not rendition and level 4 say that rendition have X advantages? | ||
+ | * Worth saying that rend SHOULD NOT be used in the Header | ||
+ | * Place under general attributes message and support both | ||
+ | * CSS inline (easier to process) or level of indirection (minimize errors) in the Header | ||
− | + | == Level 5 == | |
− | + | * Axed the examples and mimicked the sections for the other levels. | |
− | + | * Header and general recommendations still apply for Level 5 | |
− | + | * Syd: feels that it's more than just the Header, level 4 + extra stuff + general recommendations. | |
− | + | * Glen will clairfy and add the other bits. | |
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− | + | ==Hyphenation== | |
− | + | * Kevin recommends the Tite way (to facilitate conversion) | |
− | + | * Should be an editorial decision? | |
− | + | * Improve recall when searching for a corpus (Tite rationale). | |
− | + | * hyphenation in the header needs to be re-worded | |
− | + | * Perry disagrees; Tite won't represent the majority of projects already created and many projects won't conform to this. Perry and Syd don't feel this is the best practice. | |
− | + | * Level 1/2 generated in OCR, OCR software can remove soft hyphens. Abbey FineReader (can remove soft hyphens). | |
− | + | * Defer issue to next call or email discussion. | |
− | + | * Subgroup needs to form | |
− | + | ==Conference Call Schedule== | |
− | + | * Schedule next call a week from today to wrap up the pending issues. | |
− | + | * By July, calls can ease up or stop entirely | |
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Latest revision as of 15:03, 27 May 2009
In Attendance:
Syd, Kevin, Michelle, Matthew, Rich, Melanie, Natasha, Perry and Glen
Note taker: Michelle
Contents
Level attribute on title element
- use of level on title; Guidelines ambiguous; got clarification via SourceForge
- Guidelines said the attribute was required when applicable (supposed to
be recommended when applicable)
- Usage note now clarified; don't have to use it if value can be inferred (e.g. title in a series, don't need title level="s")
- Do we have in all cases, or only when it can not be inferred?
- Perry thinks we should avoid inference route; easier to process
- So have it in all cases
Pending revisions
- AACR questions pulled from the header element description (for editorialDecl).
- Rhetorical questions ... could be confusing.
- Kevin will re-word these so that they not rhetorical questions but examples of kinds of info. one would include in the editorialDecl.
Use <ref> for ToC example in Level 3
- level 3 in ToC should use to <ref> tag for specific pages. Use <ptr> when there's no
page numbers, but <ref> examples in the P5 Guidelines has page numbers.
- Why do we bother encoding ToC anyway? Michigan doesn't encode the ToC.
- Add a note you may not want to bother encoding the ToC (optiional) if system will generate this automatically, but you plan to manually encode the ToC, here's an example.
- Same for list of illustrations occurring in prefatory pages (add to level 3 description) about possibly removing these as well.
@type/@key persName/orgName
- Added type values for marc100 and marc110 (to better represent author names + dates).
- Did not add marc 111 or marc 130.
- Have a key attribute that would reference an authority file. Key is not really an ID/REF type.
- Need a taxonomy element in the Header.
- What's the difference between lccn-n78-#### (OCLC World Cat Identities) and lcnaf #? Should we align these?
- Explain the need to develop a local ref/key scheme for referencing authority files under General Recommendations. Also add ref/key elements under "General Guidelines for Attribute Usage".
Linking to outside Metadata schemes
- Syd doesn't agree: There's nothing at all that stops us for incorporating non-TEI metadata in the Header. Since we are making ODDs we can support the embedding of metadata schemes and values.
- But METS handle this so should we even embed metadata?
- Need time to provide thoughful recommendations for embedding
- Linking to other schemes can be hacked (but then we need to provide recommendations for what a minimum header looks like)
- TEI document has an xml:id that references a METS or some other file, but it doesn't provide sufficient context.
- Melanie recommends that the Header subgroup reforms to work on these issues.
- Neither embedding or linking recommendations will be part of version 3 of the best practices
- Kevin will revise this text slightly to clarify and to indicate future revisions will handle this.
Rendition in header
- Use CSS instead. Use the rendition element in the Header; css rules in the Header. Method of indirection.
- Inline CSS versus defining CSS in the Header? What are the pros and cons?
- Rendition placed in external file and xinclude it in the Header or define it in the Header; minimizes errors and keystrokes. Maximizes single renidtion reference for a set of documents.
- Level 3 use rend (with inline CSS) and not rendition and level 4 say that rendition have X advantages?
- Worth saying that rend SHOULD NOT be used in the Header
- Place under general attributes message and support both
- CSS inline (easier to process) or level of indirection (minimize errors) in the Header
Level 5
- Axed the examples and mimicked the sections for the other levels.
- Header and general recommendations still apply for Level 5
- Syd: feels that it's more than just the Header, level 4 + extra stuff + general recommendations.
- Glen will clairfy and add the other bits.
Hyphenation
- Kevin recommends the Tite way (to facilitate conversion)
- Should be an editorial decision?
- Improve recall when searching for a corpus (Tite rationale).
- hyphenation in the header needs to be re-worded
- Perry disagrees; Tite won't represent the majority of projects already created and many projects won't conform to this. Perry and Syd don't feel this is the best practice.
- Level 1/2 generated in OCR, OCR software can remove soft hyphens. Abbey FineReader (can remove soft hyphens).
- Defer issue to next call or email discussion.
- Subgroup needs to form
Conference Call Schedule
- Schedule next call a week from today to wrap up the pending issues.
- By July, calls can ease up or stop entirely