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==TEI Header Mapping==
  
 
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* Feels that some notes can be moved down into a "table" footnote to explain the 533 and 534.
 
* Feels that some notes can be moved down into a "table" footnote to explain the 533 and 534.
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Kevin:
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* Summarizes surrograte cataloging; 2 practices:
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** 533 field: the whole rest of the MARC record describes the source doc; give brief info about surrogate
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** 534 field: describes mostly the MARC the TEI document
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Glen:
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* Our approach with best practices does not assume that a library does not have the source document; so it's better to have
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the TEI document as the source for description (thus the 534 approach)
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* Kevin also supports 534
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* Only 3 fields left that have 533 mappings: date of pub for TEI document, seriesStmt title level ="f" and publisher of TEI document
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* Renee can adjust the mappings if we all agree to treat the TEI document as source
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* Our guidelines preference the electronic source, but we leave room for referencing the "source"
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* Include original source as a footnote for internal consistency
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* We don't need to change mappings. 
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* The three instances of 533 are only used in 3 cases with the parenthetical note.  Use non-533 fields if you use the 534.
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* Can only use one or the other; Kevin will make it clearer (534 v. 700s and 100s)
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* Renee recommenda two tables, if based on source doc versus surrogate doc
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* Kevin will split the cell with the MARC mapping; Glen agrees
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* Encoded texts are not as identical as the original; need for separate metadata is more relevant
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* Renee incorporated several of Vitus' suggestions (see her email)
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==Syd Stuff==
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Extent:
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* extent element; only in mss description module of the TEI to encode extent in more machine readable way
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* it may not matter which way it went; chris powell worries the MARC metadata will be messy (based on her extensive experience)
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* so no need to break out the extent further
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* Kevin read AACR, following rules, strings can be parsed out (due to punctuation).  It should be quite clear.
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* Michelle suggests to add this to list of future revisions; explore case studies
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* Concern about intro. elements from manu. dss.
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Refs:
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* notes: how ref points to notes; target attribute on note element or on the ref element?
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* bi-directional linking should be supported
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* we agree on the direction of pointing; from ref to note (and not vice-versa)
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* still waiting for syd to ID where in the P5 it says we should do notes a certain way.
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Pending List to Syd:
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* editor, role
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* proof ref/key attributes
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* check hypenation text
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* 2 letter v. 3 letter language codes
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* pointing to outside metadata
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* level 4 Hiss example; root element has a bunch of attributes, but not in other sample docs
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* Kevin re-wrote the section on notes from Level 3; group should have a look at that
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==Wrap Up==
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* If any issues require group weigh-in, we'll do it over email or setup a call in early July.
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* Glen: Hiss examples; for level 4, there's only one extra attribute xml:ns and xml:id on root
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** Kevin: should we also have an ID at the root? 
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** Can add a recommendation in the general table above the Header for a unique identifier in the TEI root (in xml:id)
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** Do we need both the idno and xml:id root
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** Header can be removed from body for metadata interchange
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** Ask Syd what he thinks about idno v. xml:id
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** We may not need it in both places
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** Glen raises the issue that workflow or process may rely on xml:id more so than IDNO; Michelle supports
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** Kevin suggests IDNO is mandatory; xml:id in the root element is recommended

Latest revision as of 19:48, 30 June 2009

Attendees: Renee, Glen, Rich, Kevin, Michelle

TEI Header Mapping

Renee:

  • Changes based on Vitus' comments
  • MARC record for the TEI document is based on the TEI document (534 field)
  • Renee incorp. Vitus' suggestions; needed to account in the mapping for two approaches for cataloging the TEI doc
    • 533 field to capture as reproduction
      • Cataloging microfilm repro. of the book; body of the bib. record represents the book; the 533 captures the microfilm portion
    • 534 field to capture the TEI document; the TEI description is based on the TEI document solely
  • Renee's personal preference is that we get a more consistent description base the description on the TEI document; use 534 field

in the source document

    • 533 accomodates limited metadata about the reproduction

Glen:

  • 533 is structured?
  • Has subfields.
  • Do 533 and 534 have parallel structures?

Glen:

  • Feels that some notes can be moved down into a "table" footnote to explain the 533 and 534.

Kevin:

  • Summarizes surrograte cataloging; 2 practices:
    • 533 field: the whole rest of the MARC record describes the source doc; give brief info about surrogate
    • 534 field: describes mostly the MARC the TEI document

Glen:

  • Our approach with best practices does not assume that a library does not have the source document; so it's better to have

the TEI document as the source for description (thus the 534 approach)

  • Kevin also supports 534
  • Only 3 fields left that have 533 mappings: date of pub for TEI document, seriesStmt title level ="f" and publisher of TEI document
  • Renee can adjust the mappings if we all agree to treat the TEI document as source
  • Our guidelines preference the electronic source, but we leave room for referencing the "source"
  • Include original source as a footnote for internal consistency
  • We don't need to change mappings.
  • The three instances of 533 are only used in 3 cases with the parenthetical note. Use non-533 fields if you use the 534.
  • Can only use one or the other; Kevin will make it clearer (534 v. 700s and 100s)
  • Renee recommenda two tables, if based on source doc versus surrogate doc
  • Kevin will split the cell with the MARC mapping; Glen agrees
  • Encoded texts are not as identical as the original; need for separate metadata is more relevant
  • Renee incorporated several of Vitus' suggestions (see her email)

Syd Stuff

Extent:

  • extent element; only in mss description module of the TEI to encode extent in more machine readable way
  • it may not matter which way it went; chris powell worries the MARC metadata will be messy (based on her extensive experience)
  • so no need to break out the extent further
  • Kevin read AACR, following rules, strings can be parsed out (due to punctuation). It should be quite clear.
  • Michelle suggests to add this to list of future revisions; explore case studies
  • Concern about intro. elements from manu. dss.

Refs:

  • notes: how ref points to notes; target attribute on note element or on the ref element?
  • bi-directional linking should be supported
  • we agree on the direction of pointing; from ref to note (and not vice-versa)
  • still waiting for syd to ID where in the P5 it says we should do notes a certain way.

Pending List to Syd:

  • editor, role
  • proof ref/key attributes
  • check hypenation text
  • 2 letter v. 3 letter language codes
  • pointing to outside metadata
  • level 4 Hiss example; root element has a bunch of attributes, but not in other sample docs
  • Kevin re-wrote the section on notes from Level 3; group should have a look at that

Wrap Up

  • If any issues require group weigh-in, we'll do it over email or setup a call in early July.
  • Glen: Hiss examples; for level 4, there's only one extra attribute xml:ns and xml:id on root
    • Kevin: should we also have an ID at the root?
    • Can add a recommendation in the general table above the Header for a unique identifier in the TEI root (in xml:id)
    • Do we need both the idno and xml:id root
    • Header can be removed from body for metadata interchange
    • Ask Syd what he thinks about idno v. xml:id
    • We may not need it in both places
    • Glen raises the issue that workflow or process may rely on xml:id more so than IDNO; Michelle supports
    • Kevin suggests IDNO is mandatory; xml:id in the root element is recommended